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Twin Hearts in the Twin Cities

Twin Hearts in the Twin Cities-By Lorraine

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Rita Wells Gorder is an outgoing, ambitious, and down to earth Black woman who believes in fulfilling her dreams. In fact Rita never looked back when she headed west to the state with 10,000 lakes. In Minnesota, she met and married one of her dreams — Nathan, a very special, high quality man who happens to be white. Rita has a practical yet no-nonsense philosophy and her story is truly intriguing. Rita can be contacted by looking her up on Facebook.

Where were you born?

United States, in Northeastern Ohio.

What is your husband’s ethnicity?

His heritage is German, Welsh, Danish and English but he is commonly and unfortunately referred to as “white”.

How did you meet?

We met at the Mall of America but had spoken on the phone through a mutual connection for sometime before actually meeting.

And how long had you known him when you got married?

Close to 6 years.

When were you married?

June of 2000.

Was this your first interracial relationship?

Yes. There were other flirtations, ridiculous crushes and unrealistic fantasies, but he was the first non Black I actually dated.

How did you feel about interracial marriage and relationships before you were in one?

I was always open to it but was not actively seeking one. I sometimes thought that non Black men were not sincerely interested in marrying Black women. I was on my guard in thinking most were not openly pursuing us for genuine relationships, and only sought to have a sexual experience with us. I saw how many Black men were ignoring, disrespecting and using Black women. The writing was on the wall back in the mid 1980’s and I began thinking there just may not be enough quality Black men to go around to all of us quality sisters. So I was mindful of keeping my options open. Plenty of Black men were still are putting any woman they could find on a pedestal except for us. Then there are the ones who are only using the non Black females for a meal ticket.

To be perfectly honest, I still struggle, to a degree, when I see a Black man who appears to be a quality, educated, law abiding man with a non Black woman. But if it appears a relationship is on legitimate, equal footing where mutual respect and genuine friendship and love exist, I’m more accepting of it. There is no real way to know just by looking, but there is a possibility of true love with everyone. I am more concerned with Black women finding high caliber, sincere and worthy husbands wherever they may find him, whatever ethnicity he may be.

I appreciate your honestly. Do you feel any different about interracial marriage and relationships now?

I’ve learned that whether most non Black men approach Black women depends upon his upbringing, geographic location and ultimately, his sense of independence and confidence. Black women have to be more open to non Black men who may want to ask them out on a date. Some sisters may be missing out on a very happy life with a loving, supportive, quality mate. That being said, I am acutely more aware of couples that look like me and my husband. I believe this number will continue to grow exponentially as sisters are waking up, so to speak.

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Did you face skeptics and criticism from friends and/or family about your interracial marriage?

Not from my immediate family but there were some disappointing comments from acquaintances with whom I was and still am friendly.

Do you recall how you first informed your friends and family of your interracial relationship and subsequent marriage?

Yes, I just told them he is white or simply showed them his picture.

What about your husband’s family —- did you or he face any criticism from them?

No, there had already been some interracial marriages in his family. His grandmother blazed a trail when she married interracially 40 years ago with her 2nd husband. Previously, my husband (a military man) dated what I call a “rainbow coalition” of women, including Black women. By the time I came along, there were no issues and I was warmly welcomed.

Have you ever felt pressure or experienced a significant difference between your non interracial and interracial relationships?

Before I met my husband, I really did not date much. Unfortunately, far too often Black men I met were intimidated by me and were below my standards, values, morals etc. Let me be clear. I’m not saying all Black men are in that category–just some that I met. The ones that were good catches were already married. The other scenario was the Black men did not want a monogamous relationship and I refused to share a man.

As a Christian woman, I felt pressure at church. The dominant mindset implied we should wait on a Black man.

One difference is in culture nuances that are inherently understood by most Black people, but completely unknown to most non Blacks. Those things have to be explained. Personally, I feel more of a pull to connect with other couples like us, for obvious reasons.

Do you feel that there are societal criticisms and pressures concerning interracial relationships in the US?

Yes. In my experience this has ironically happened and still happens at houses of worship. Though we are both Christians, we have differing worship styles and needs in a church. Most of the churches we have visited so far are either predominantly black or white. It’s discouraging not to find a more racially mixed church. We will keep looking.

Also, Black women are still not fully viewed by the “mainstream” as the standard of beauty.

Do you attribute this to negative images of blacks from slavery or something else?

It is my strong belief that almost everything negative that we as a people feel say or do, whether it be consciously or unconsciously, has its roots in the ugly legacy of slavery. Running parallel to that thought is that the same truth exists for non Blacks.

I also think the various forms of media hype and it’s negative depiction of Black women contribute to us not being considered as desirable by all men — period.

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Do you have children?

No. We are parents to our pets (smiling).

Where do you live?

We live in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota.

Do you think the Twin Cities area of Minnesota in general is a good place for interracial couples and families?

Absolutely – especially within the Twin Cities metro area. When I moved here almost 15 years ago, I was approached by many more non Black men than ever before. Almost everywhere I looked there were visibly multi-ethnic families and couples. It was a cultural shift in thinking.

What do you do for fun?

There is something for everyone here as the Twin Cities metro is a unique arts and cultural Mecca and there is much to do and see. But we are mostly homebodies. We like simple things but I like to shop, surf online and eat out. I like to read magazines and I love working as a makeup artist helping women look and feel gorgeous with the looks they have! I truly enjoy making new friends with like-minded women.

Do you have any suggestions for black women just entering interracial relationships?

Yes. Recognize and respect the strength and sense of self it takes to be in a serious interracial relationship. Do NOT let others’ disapproving opinion about dating non Black men prevent you from pursuing and participating in a genuine, fulfilling, healthy connection, subsequent relationship and potential marriage. To my Christian sistahs, the disapproval can come thru the “Black Church”. God made woman for man and vice-versa. No where in the Bible does it state Black woman for Black man, etcetera. Ultimately, if he is the man for you and you are the woman for him; that is what God has ordained and that is all that matters.

Seek out and connect with other sistahs in interracial relationships, wherever they may be. Don’t ever be ashamed of loving a man who loves you. You never know who may be inspired just by watching you and your non Black husband or mate. In those cases, actions speak volumes over words. Life is too short to be unhappy and miserable trying to meet someone else’s standard. Don’t choose a Black man just simply on the basis of him being a Black man. Make sure whoever you are with is a good, smart man equal to yourself, considerate of your needs and wants — and worthy of your time. Live well and be happy.

Thank you for the opportunity to share my insight. I welcome the chance to connect with your readers.

Thank you so much!

21 Responses

  1. Wow, what a powerful interview from a beautiful lady. I love Rita’s her story and advice. It is simple and to the point, yet inspirational. Being the product of an interracial marriage, I understand Rita’s sentiments as my Mom as said the same things about a few bm being intimidated by her (an architect). She didn’t look back either when she met my Dad. This interview reminded me of my Mom and I will email it to her.

    Thank you Rita for sharing your powerful message to black women about your IR marriage. You look very happy and have a wonderful attitude with some great advice. I never thought about Minnesota but may consider it when I finish school (in Nashville). Seems like a cool place for black women to meet good, quality guys. I’m headed to the Mall of America!

  2. Justina,

    Thank you very much for your comment and my best to your mother, who was a pioneer before me. :) –Rita

  3. Love the article, long overdue!!

  4. You are so pretty! I totally feel every bit of what you have to say. I hope that people would open their eyes and hearts and live.

  5. …And THANK YOU SO MUCH Rita for contributing such an inspirational story! Please by all means do not be a stranger!

  6. @Soni

    *blushing*

    Same goes for you Soni…For being such a beautiful girl inside and out and letting us in on your inspirational story…I have a feeling PLENTY are seeing things more clearly!

  7. I wish I could sit here and applaud you sister, but I can’t. I have great respect for your choice and whatever you do is your business, but I have a real deep problem with any sister who feels that a black brother is beneath her. What do you mean by: “Unfortunately, far too often Black men I met were intimidated by me and were below my standards, values, morals etc.” What standards, a college education, a job? I don’t get it. So did you have white men that were below your standard too? I am not condemning you or criticizing you for your choices, but like I say I cannot sit here and applaud a sister who choses to belittle our brothers openly like that. I don’t know how you measure your standard but I believe everyone is created equal and sometimes things doesn’t always go the way we want it, but it doesn’t make another human being better that we are. I hope you are accepted where you are and I wish you well but some of us still will like to stay true to our roots and love our brothers regardless of their standard!

  8. Ok…so now we’re gonna play the “nutrole” and pretend we don’t know what was meant by

    “Unfortunately, far too often Black men I met were intimidated by me and were below my standards, values, morals etc.”

    It’s typed in plain English…Rita and other BW have the right to “openly” discuss their experiences…The problems within the Black Community are not a secret…She’s not letting some mysterious cat outta the bag…The only ones that this trend isn’t painfully obvious to are the ones in denial…C’mon, gimme a break!

    Stay true to our roots=No change for many

    *And BW need no one’s paltry “approval” to either move left or right…

    **Funny how the most bare minimum of standards to the rest of the world are such ACCOMPLISHMENTS for some

  9. Jewell-
    Thank you for your comment. I want to directly address your points.

    1. I’m not sure how you could have a deep problem with me or any other sista, who you don’t even know personally.

    2. Standards go way beyond being college educated and/or having a job/career. In fact, those are the most superficial forms of a standard. A person’s list could range in length. I don’t feel a need to define my standards for you….let’s just say they are mine and if a man regardless of ethnicity did not measure up to them, he was not for me.

    3. Apparently the rest ot the paragraph following the sentence you quoted escapes you. Maybe that’s why you don’t get it.

    4. It appears your belief is that if a BW marries other than a BM, and discusses her experiences which contributed to her choice, she is automatically belittling all BM. Being a BW is is not defined by exclusively dating or marrying a BM.

    5. I am not of the opinion that staying “true to our roots” is mutually exclusive from marrying a non-BM.

    6. Loving people in an agape and philos way is totally different than in an eros way. That said, I will always love, value and respect strong, quality BM of character, such as my father. However, I could not ever commit myself to a romantic relationship with any man who was below my standards.

    Respectfully, Rita Gorder

  10. Lorraine and Rita, that was a great interview.

    Beautiful couple, gorgeous woman!

    Rita your message is powerful. Black women need to hear this more often. This sista made the best choice a woman could make. When I hear some bw consider “mansharing”, having “debates” on that subject, I wonder why these women lower their standards when there is no shortage of men? I hope you’ll inspire more women to be open to MEN regardless of their race.

  11. Jewell,

    Do you think a quality bm or any quality man would date just any kind of woman? That’s like getting mad at a woman who doesn’t want to date a man who has 3 kids, knowing full and well most men wouldn’t date a woman with 3 kids. People don’t get angry when non-bw have standards, but bw can’t have standards?

    “Love them regardless of their standards”? This is why some of them feel entitled to praise no matter what they do. Because they’re not told that respect is earned. If this mindset means staying “true to our roots”, I’m glad I chose years ago not to stay “true to our roots”.

  12. SheRocks07,

    Much appreciation for your comment and compliments. You are so right–there is no shortage of good men of various ethnicities. Inspiring other sistas is my primary motivation for doing the interview. I truly hope that goal was achieved.

    Peace & Blessings, Rita

  13. I went to college in the Twin Cities, and when I arrived I was very surprised at the number of interracial couples there. I wish I had been more open towards it when I was there, but at my young age I was still brainwashed into thinking that only a Black man would be acceptable.

    Great profile, thanks for posting.

  14. Rita
    What a wonderful, candid interview. I encountered something similar among my Hispanic family. I am the product of an Hispanic American Dad and an Irish Swedish Mom. When I was dating, there was a shortage of educated Hispanic men in my corner of the world. I married an Irish Norwegian man, we both had to overcome family biases, but glad we did. For 33 years it’s been workin’.
    Tica

  15. I was so happy to read your article Rita forgot to post a comment….lol,Again thank you for such great insight into this particular subject….I just want to tell all my wonderful sisters out there to not be afraid of thier feelings. If you are attracted to someone of a different race go for it…this might be the one for you.I can only express my feelings and say I have found the perfect man fo me….He is white Australian;and he is the most wonderful man I have ever met…He has all the qualities I have been looking for in a relationship…kind, honest, supportive, hardworking and very attentive to my wants and needs …but most of all he loves me unconditionally in good times and in bad..he always has my back and I have his..I couldn’t ask for a better man… Bravo Rita on an article well spoken.. I hope more BW will read your article.

  16. Rita say’s it like it is and her pure honesty is appreciated. This is Rita’s experience and her story and I respect it. Not just because I happen to understand and agree with so much of what she say’s, but because Rita is being real. I really enjoyed reading this from a black females perspective. I happen to be a white female who has dated inter-racially. I fell in love and didn’t care what society had to say about it. Best damn thing I ever did! Go Rita!!! You Rock! An adorable couple.

  17. Great interview.

    I see the knee jerk black male protectionists are at it again, rushing to obliterate anything that does not sing of the majestic and unparalleled glory of black men lol!

    Supposing I wanted to Date a White Guy…?

  18. Rita thanks for sharing your story…….

    I had the pleasure of meeting Nate and I believe that the two of you make an awesome couple!

    Since we have been friends for many years,
    I know the choices in men that were out there…. and God only knows where you would be in life had you settled for one of them. And since I know where you are from and the mentality of the men and the people in general that live there, I am more than qualified to make that statment…….that you would have settled.

    There are so may other thoughts running thru my mind right now but we will have to discuss them later. It’s late and I have to work in the morning.

    You are loved and respected!

  19. Rita,
    I think you’re a gorgeous woman and I commend you for taking part in this interview. I too, live in the Twincities and I have to agree that it isnt rare to see other BWIR couples. EVERYTIME I go shopping at the MOA which is at least a couple times a week, I see BWIR couples (mostly BWWM)… so it puzzles me sometimes when I read comments by people who claim they have never seen BWWM couples.

    Although I’m not too fond of Minnesnowda in the winter, the Twincities is one of the places to be, for IR couples.

    Great article. Stay blessed.

  20. Rita,

    I applaud you for your courage to live your life, and to live it abundantly as God has promised. I remember wonderful times in Ohio, when we shared our thoughts of one day sharing ourselves with the “man” that God had for us. If we could take a moment and recognize what love truely is and admit we deserve it, then when it presents itself to us… it won’t matter the wrapping. I know we are just one generation away from the mindset of staying within your own race, two generations away from slavary, so its difficult to fight off the cultural precepts that have been engrained in us. But at some point, you’ve got to live and live for yourself. All the skills, tools, talent, education, common sense you can muster will be required for you to make life coping decisions. Don’t miss out on life, because of some tradition or preconceived notion. Hey, I’m still single, I can’t say I’m loving it… because I’d love to share all of who I am with a special someone, but I ain’t holding my breath waiting on him either. I’ve had to change my thought process and work on me. So I respect the comments of all, however I think it takes a strong woman to share her stand in such a difficult conversation and I thank you Rita for continuing to be the woman that God has called you to be! My best to Nathan, and I can’t wait to meet him!

  21. Jewell, black men don’t love and support Black women regardless of their standard, so don’t ask that of a Black woman. It’s not fair.

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