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Lorraine Brings Us Shades of Love in the Forest City
What is your husband’s ethnicity?
He is Polish
How did you and Rafal meet?
Rafal and I met through Hotornot (online). Then he eventually invited me to visit him. I was reluctant at first but I knew that because of his restrictions as a Pole it would be impossible for him to visit me. America requires Polish people to have a visa to visit and then they make it nearly impossible for them to get a visa. So at the last minute I decided to go visit Rafal since he was paying for everything, how could I go wrong? It turned out to be the best decision I had ever made. What a blessing.
And how long had you known Rafal when you got married?
We knew each other about a year.
When were you married?
October 24, 2008

Was this your first interracial relationship?
NO, I’ve had several. No huge differences from one ethnicity to the next. however, interculturally there is a huge difference and which can sometimes be a challenge. You have got to be up for it and it is totally possible for committed people.
How did you feel about interracial marriage and relationships before you were in one?
I had no unique feelings either way. I had no inhibitions regarding race whatsoever.
Do you feel any different about interracial marriage and relationships now?
No other than I had not had long term relationships. Six months was about the max. Now it is a different story since I am married. Being married is definitely a change from the single days; it took some getting used to let me tell you.
Living in Poland, did you face skeptics and criticism from friends and/or family about your interracial marriage?
No because my family was use to me being in interracial relationships. Everyone was just fine.
Do you recall how you first informed your friends and family of your interracial relationship and subsequent marriage?
I sent my brother a text from Poland and told him that Rafal and I were official. We then sent texts back and forth about how my brother didn’t need to whoop Rafal’s behind for taking advantage of me. (Laughing hysterically).
What about your husband’s family —- did you or he face any criticism from them?
No. I realize I was blessed. Rafal’s family absolutely loved me from the beginning. In fact they were proud to claim me as their family before we were married.
Have you ever felt pressure or experienced a significant difference between your non interracial and interracial relationships?
Oh well yes in that in a couple of my previous relationships there was a lack of understanding each other’s perspective but this can be overcome with patience and understanding from both parties. For example as a black woman American, my experiences are different and my perspective is from might be from the other side of the door so to speak. Not right or wrong, just different and as legitimate as anyone else’s. This can be amplified when you’re with someone from an entirely different continent and world. Sometimes it can get annoying trying to explain your perspective. But who is to say that this would not happen with a black man as well because of the gender? Again, this can be a good thing because you can learn from and about each other. Respect and love play a big part.
Do you feel that there are societal criticisms and pressures concerning interracial relationships in the US and or Poland?
Not in Poland at all! In America, yes for sure. We get different kind of stares, sneers or even a few, people saying nasty things to you when you walk by is normal for an interracial couple in America. For me personally, I get flack from black males and believe it or not white females. White females like to flirt with Rafal to see if they can get anything out of him. They are shocked to see his with me, being from Poland and all. It is a novelty for them and I get a lot of puzzling looks from them. Then there are some black males who can’t stand to see a black female with a white male. It is funny because some of these same black men would not even look at me twice otherwise.
Anyway, there has always been something strange, in our own communities when it came to interracial dating. Somehow, it seems more acceptable for black males to go outside their race, yet it’s not so acceptable for black women to be with white men. Black women are just now venturing out these days. Not too long ago it wasn’t so likely so I am rejoicing that black women older and younger are taking control of their lives and seeking love outside our communities.
Do you attribute or connect it to negative images of blacks from slavery or something else? Hold over images from slavery is definitely behind some of the remaining negativity, but it is also about human nature and possession. Some may here most commonly hear ridiculous statements like “White people are always trying to take our stuff.” “White women are taking OUR men;” (or even the rare “Black men are taking OUR women).” I can actually make a comparison about some Polish men in this instance. Some of them are starting to become a bit bitter about foreign men coming overseas to take their Polish women. Of course there is a stereotype for everyone. Polish women seem to be popular around the world, similar to Asian women because there is a perception of what kind of brides they make. So this mentality overlaps with others coming from an entirely different world and experience. Who has the market on or possession of any group of women or men? Get over it and just get your mate.
Do you plan to have children?
Absolutely! But we are still so young and want be more financially established. We are both continuing our education in order to provide the right environment for childrearing. There is plenty of time so when the time is right, we will.
How will race figure into child rearing for you?
Our children will know everything about their backgrounds. I’ve just recently gave a DNA sample to this genetic experiment that National Geographic is doing. I think it’s very interesting to know where my African roots most likely lie. So again, our children will know all about themselves and families. They will be well traveled too. I currently wish to raise them in Europe because I have so far noticed a lot less open prejudice and strange social structures according to race. So no matter we live, the quality of education would be pretty much the same. We will try to prepare them for whatever life has to offer them racially — good or bad.
When and if your children first experience racism, what do you think your advice will be to them?
It is our responsibility to prepare and inform them about the world, how and why people think and do the things they do. Our children will always know that they are beautiful and capable of the greatest things. With education and knowledge about themselves they will especially be prepared for racism.
Where do you live?
Cleveland, Ohio also known as the Forest City.
Do you think Cleveland in general is a good place for interracial couples and families?
Not particularly only because there is nothing extra special about here than any other place. On the other hand, Cleveland is fine I guess as there are lots of interracial couples and families here, but my aunt who lives in Massillon, Ohio tells me that there seems to be many more interracial couples and families living there. Virginia actually looked like a nice place when I was there and at one time may be have been an option go figure! But, once I am done with my education (double masters MBA, M.Ed. degrees) Rafal and I are headed back to Poland to live. Rafal and I are seeking dual citizenship (USA/Poland) therefore lessening the likelihood that our children will encounter any immigration problems. Rafal is an accountant and we will do fantastically from a financial prospective. We plan on purchasing properties and starting a business. This will secure our family’s future.
What do you do for fun?
Since I am in graduate school, fun can sometimes be a rare treat. But we love to travel! I love to play classical piano as well as guitar! We both love going to the movies and eating out, which isn’t the greatest thing to be doing when we’re trying to save money and maintain healthy weight. (Chuckling) Actually, we have mega fun cooking meals together everyday which is AWESOME! Who would have thought? We have definitely had to be creative in the fun department with our school schedules, but what is it? Fun!
Do you have any suggestions for black women just entering interracial relationships?
Thank you!
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